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June 23, 2009

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eaon

Good work Neil. i've also been thinking a bit lately about exchange models and intrinsic value v/and/or relational value, which you allude to here.
Excellent stuff.

Graphic Designher

Excellent article, made my eyes go funny trying to read it on screen, had to go all traditional and print the bugger out.
Thanks to you! Matt

Steve

best round up i've seen to date! great work neil

John Dodds

Nice round-up. Does this guy Aristotle have a blog?

neilperkin

Thanks all.

John - yes, it's here:
http://bit.ly/povo8
...could be I've got the wrong Aristotle mind ;-)

Charles

Awesome post and thanks for digging through my Nixon post to hit on the subject of complexity although I sometimes don't recognise what I've written and more scarily who has written it (Who is that GUY?) ;)

I would gladly pay for content. Not because I want to but because deep down I know that I need great content more than great content needs me.

Random idea: Wouldn't it be good if leaving a comment was a micro payment. It would be a wheat from chaff kudos system (with trackbacks) overnight and you'd be up 20 pence already.

Just a thought but let's face it, the problem isn't that we don't have an idea for payment.

The challenge to me seems that we've got too many and we need a few years to try them all out. The 20th century biz model says we have to get it right, and without error, because expensive people are hired for the process.That mistakes can't be made and yet everything we've ever achieved as a species is built on learnings from mistakes. Why doesn't Rupert Murdoch admit he doesn't know and *join* forces with his competitors. We all want content, we all paid for it when it was physical and we are scared we will lose it if old media asphyxiates on an old business model. (Move out the way I say to the executives who don't have blogs)

My other dangerous idea is that services such as Twitter should be paid for by opt out (in a "Nudge" like way) micro taxes. That's right.

Taxes.

I love em. Pays for the cops, army, street lighting and all the other essential stuff nobody wants to talk about but which means the British army are in Afghanistan so the US can influence Iraqi oil policy.

The internet is no longer a flim flam luxury. I feed my head on it, you do and when the massive passive begin to dwindle then the monologue TV model is looking shaky too.

I want utilities such as twitter which I think everyone should have and everyone except non indutrialised countries (and a few others) should chip in for.

Twitter shouldn't make VAST Google like profits their mission. They should make surviving for as long as possible their mission. It's not African debt we should make the only moral obligation. It's as much digital platforms we can give Africa for free. And a kick ass broadband connection because what goes around comes around. Google isn't the future of business. It's the best of a profit model that is rooted in the past. It's the zenith. Well done boys.

Now let the Twitter gang in.

Here's an example why. I'm pretty sure Twitter unsettled a few people I met in the last months whose intent was malicious. I'm not sure I'd have the liberty to write this if I wasn't telling people what I had for breakfast, where I was walking to, where I was walking from. People with ill intent, with much more power than me and who didn't like transparency. Twitter was very comforting. A bit verbose for those that follow me but here I am.

Oh dear, I've gone on again haven't I? Great post Neil.

neilperkin

Thanks Charles. I think you're right about the payment thing - people will pay for something if it is important enough to them, and connection is important. Like you say, there are so many ways in which payment could work - I just hope we see more of the kind of learning cycle your talking about, because that's what it will take. Perhaps mobile (which I didn't talk about specifically above) will help because there you have a ready-made micropayment system infrastructure and more importantly a situation where people are more used to pay for stuff. I wonder.

david cushman

Nice one Neil. am pointing at it from this:
http://fasterfuture.blogspot.com/2009/06/were-trying-to-change-world-not-report.html

Makes me wonder if we aren't in social media... alarmingly we may be in social services (ah hem...)

andy

Wow. Thorough. Took a few reads :)

One thing caught my eye which ties into some things I'm thinking about.

You battle briefly with active vs passive, saying one moment that the internet is not for passive consumption and then acknowledging that the 'outer-edges' is misleading in its dismissal of its inhabitants' significance. (crikey, hard trying to write this in brief)

Things are perhaps most interesting when active and passive collide. They're terms that are historically opposite, but now there is a new kind of behaviour that one might call 'passive doing' - participating with almost zero investment. Which hyper-connectivity and intuitive tools have made easy.

I just wrote something that started to scrape the surface of this and your post has got me thinking. I'm going to stop there or I'll drown your comments list.

Gary Hayes

Nice item - echoes most of my social media 101 charts & thoughts. The charts are on flickr http://www.flickr.com/photos/garyhayes/sets/72157613331811096/ and relevant posts linked from those. The most popular image seems to be the social media campaign diagram covered in this post http://www.personalizemedia.com/the-future-of-social-media-entertainment-slides/

Also Laurel Papworth has covered monetization a great deal on her blog eg: http://laurelpapworth.com/social-media-monetization-and-revenue/

Scott Karambis

Great thoughtful, balaned post. It's certainly true that social media offers many benefits beyond more transactions (insight, engagement, etc), though at the same time I'm sympathetic to the CMO who still needs to show old-fashioned sales results lined up against his marketing dollars. On the other hand--and this is a simple, obvious point that I'm not sure got made above--social media is really cheap compared to traditional marketing vehicles so it doesn't have to make as much money.

Rob @ Cynic

Of course you can make money from social networking - it's how the Chinese culture has operated for thousands of years - which leads me to my point ... can we all stop implying social networking is a new phenomenon, it's not - it's just easier to do with technology. [as I wrote - excuse the plug @ http://tinyurl.com/myaqt2]

Thank you, I'll shut up now.

James Cherkoff

When people say you can't make money out of social media I always think - compared with what? TV? Hardly a booming business to be in at the moment? Classifieds? Display?

I think they are saying you can't make money out of selling social media. So the 'problem' is only for professional media folk who are looking through the narrow lens of traditional media.

In the meantime, social media empires such as Craigs List, SixApart, Etsy, Zynga, Threadless, Flickr, Huffington, Facebook et al continue to rake it in.

Charles

I've no idea why I can't use an Oyster Card or an Octopus card to drag and drop micro payments into content I like.

Or do big banks get scared with the idea of money being digitised outside of the 7 days to send money system that I'm currently experiencing?

Of course they do. Banks don't like micropayments one bit.

neilperkin

Thanks for the comments.

Rob, James, Charles - great points

Laurel Papworth

Thankyou Gary for mentioning my work - I have put together 22 different revenue streams from peer to peer finance to merchandising and so on on my blog post http://laurelpapworth.com/social-media-monetization-and-revenue/

It includes examples from the $2.16 per year per member Myspace makes from advertising to Michael Arrington making 2.5 million per year blogging from his spare room, to virtual goods industries and spotlight sponsorship forums ($1 million per forum for KFC) and LinkedIn $80 million - 1/4 only from advertising, rest from freemium services.

Hope it helps :)

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